Is the USA in terminal decline? Or will the hysterical uncertainty created by Trump’s misrule along with the emergence of hate politics turn out to be a passing blip?
This is a potted rehash of previous posts from March 2017 and late December 2016.
There are two key astrological sign posts, both connected to the USA foundation chart of 1776, specifically to the USA Pluto in Capricorn opposition Mercury, which does harbour a dark, fanatical streak. Ebertin associates Mercury Pluto with: demagogues, plagiarists, those who fraudulently misrepresent, slyness and cunning, irritability, and psychological pressure. Kept under control it can be persuasive and insightful.
Tr Uranus is squaring this opposition through 2017, finishing mid April 2018. Previous occurrences oversaw VP Spiro Agnew resigning over tax fraud, followed by Watergate and Nixon’s fall; and one before that McCarthy was spitting venom in his catch-a-commie terror campaign, before being discredited. [See post December 26 2016]. It tends to bring out extreme right-wing elements and political scandals.
Tr Pluto will then start to oppose Mercury and make its First Pluto Return from 2020 till 2023 which will bring a longish period of intensity, fierce debate and mental strain.
Previous times of tr Pluto in hard aspect to Pluto Mercury saw bitter anti-slavery fights under a Democratic President, 1845 to 1851. The Great Depression, 1933 to 1938, Roosevelt’s New Deal and J. Edgar Hoover in the FBI. The most recent – President Reagan’s swingeing tax cuts lead to a soaring budget deficit and high unemployment; a recession and he gets shot.
Much astro-talk has focused on Pluto’s conjunction to the natal US Pluto as bringing to an end the country’s superpower status. But looking to other countries, which have early enough start dates to have undergone Pluto Returns, roughly every 250 years, that wouldn’t be the case.
For example: Spain, 19 January 1479, – had certainly hit its peak power prior to the Pluto Return in 1724 but in the aftermath reached its greatest territorial extent. Next Pluto return in 1971 was four years before the dictator Franco died and Spain became a democracy thereafter.
England, 11 May 973, has had three Pluto Returns – 1216 saw the Magna Carta, supposedly the start of democracy with the king ceding power to the Barons. 1462 – War of the Roses saw a breakdown in the authority and power of the throne. 1708 – the Union with Scotland, leading ultimately a century later to the UK and the burgeoning British Empire.
Major turning points to be sure but not lethal.
The next US Presidential election will fall right in the middle of the above and occurs on the triple Jupiter Saturn Pluto in Capricorn conjunction. It will be fraught with strong-arm tactics, violence, ruthless and bullying. The Inauguration chart, assuming normal start dates/times, will be (hopefully) a mix of high idealism from Jupiter Saturn Sun in Aquarius, control-freaky with Pluto on the MC, and explosive with a 12th house Mars Uranus square Saturn Jupiter Sun, with hints of subversion. To ne noted: Aquarius can be humanitarian, but it does appear regularly in the charts of fascists or extreme ideologues. Tr Neptune is also rapidly heading to square the US Mars from March 2021 for two years which usually accompanies a sense of panicky failure and plummeting morale.
Specifically on the Republican Party charts: 28 Feb 1854 9pm Ripon, Wisconsin and 22 Feb 1856 5pm Pittsburgh, PA – there are indications of a seismic upheaval from mid 2018 to late 2019 with tr Uranus conjunct the Pluto in Taurus. Both charts’ relationship with Trump will be undergoing upsetting and separating influences in 2018/19 and outright hostility by 2020.
Definitely a page-turning moment in America’s history over the coming few years, with turmoil, angst and bitterness along the way. But it will settle – eventually.
Hi Marjorie,
Do you see any similarities for the Republican Party in the 2018-2019 period with the August 1912 formation of the Bull-moose Progressive Party by Teddy Roosevelt? In other words, do you foresee a party split?
I see all this as collective birthing pains. The left wants to move forward and evolve (blindly sometimes) and the right wants to stay comfortable as they are or hark back to an almost non-existent ‘traditional golden era’ that tends to exclude others (classic integrated vs. ethnocentric ideologies) but regardless, it all does work out in the end when we look back with hindsight. It’s just a really crappy journey to get there.
Marjorie: I see you use a chart for the USA with Virgo on the ascendant. I’m wondering why you use this version, rather than others which use Gemini, Sagittarius, or Scorpio rising. (I prefer Scorpio.)
I’m wondering how your predictions here might play out if any of these other rising charts were used. It would put key events in different houses, thus change the realm where they play out.
Either way, I’m putting on my seat belt in preparation for a bumpy ride.
None of it is dependent on houses. Some years back I trawled through major events in US history and 11am seemed to suit better than the others. But mainly I avoid the houses.
Mercury/Pluto/Uranus/Saturn—quadruple whammy. (Grabs popcorn and settles in for the show)
When Marjorie posted her 2018 sun sign delineations, I fully expected Pluto to squash my sign like a bug and Saturn to kick it to the curb. But there are good times ahead and I am so happy!
The last Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn in 1517 saw the beginning of the Reformation with Martin Luther and Henry VIII, which had very major political, religious and economic implications, as well as the birth of the Empire. The next Pluto in Capricorn brought those implications to a head with the birth of another Protestant superpower, the USA, although there was no Saturn conjunction. The USA broke with the British Crown and became a Republic. The next Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn in 2020 should have similar implications for the monarchy, the US, the UK, world capitalism ans established religion. Its effects will last centuries.
Thanks Marjorie
Can Trump and his crew be seen as physical avatars or manifestations of this US Pluto-Mercury effect? He is a Plutocrat and an embodiment of the Pluto principal in its grossest terms I would say. As above so below?
Jung’d theory of archetypes. Glad you pointed this out.
*Jung’s
I certainly hope this prediction doesn’t manifest. The Republicans now only have a slim 51 Senate majority (since Democrat Doug Jones won in Alabama), Trump’s approval rating is now hovering at 32%, Democrats are actually over performing in local and state elections. We Democrats are likely to pick up more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives next year….and the models are showing we’re likely to take Arizona and Nevada – for the Senate.
I do believe it’s going to be stressful…but I do believe the Resistance Movement will succeed next year. All of the analysts and projection models show 2018 to be shaping up to be a Democratic year. Nate Silver is even projecting that Democrats will retake the U.S. House….and pick of a seat or two in the U.S. Senate. That would certainly put a roadblock in Trump and the Republican’s plans.
Oh, and now that the Republicans are going to pass that HORRIBLE tax scam bill (which is extremely unpopular with everyone), that should hurt the Republicans’ chances even more next year.
All in all, no election year is ever “smooth sailing.” However, I do believe the momentum is with the Democrats this year, next year, and in 2020. And I don’t even think Trump is going to last until 2020 – he’ll probably die from a stroke or a heart attack – the way he pigs out on fast food all the time.
Chris Romero
Jacksonville, Florida
Chris, this only works if Democrats learn unity. Republicans vote as a solid block, making them a weapon. Recently, when the first Trump impeachment bill was voted on, and only 58 dems in the House voted for it. Pelosi, Hoyer and 300+ representatives voted against it. If they can’t pull as a team, a majority gets them nowhere.
In contrast, repubs voted 191 yes to dems 176 no to impeach Obama. (For all you who say Clinton was “impeached” by a mere House majority vote—you should add Obama to your false claims.)
Impeachment vote for Trump at this point was, well, just plain stupid.
Trump has been clocked at over a thousand outright lies in his first year. Free pass freshman year? I think not. Perhaps many Democrat legislators are liking the new wealth-centric tax plan with corporate and business benefits. All the money with no blame.